tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post6698794164420453079..comments2024-02-25T04:19:51.451-06:00Comments on Connected Mom: When the time comes: The Circumcision TalkUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-63166256121878675672010-12-08T12:50:47.984-06:002010-12-08T12:50:47.984-06:00@Adam You left an identical comment on my blog som...@Adam You left an identical comment on my blog some time ago. Do you just cruise around the blogosphere, looking for articles questioning circumcision so you can tell your story?<br /><br />In any event, I think some of your problems could be caused by the excessive focus on hygiene people seem to have. Boys shouldn't be encouraged to retract their foreskin until they're ready -- I've heard it suggested they not even be told about it so they make this discovery on their own instead of constantly testing it. Then they should only rinse with water, not use soap. You probably killed off all the beneficial flora under your foreskin, making it vulnerable to infection.<br /><br />As for sex being more pleasurable, most men have the opposite experience, since the foreskin is actually more sensitive than the glans.<br /><br />In any event, it's a decision you were able to make for yourself, when the time came. My son will have the same ability, if he wants to. But I chose not to sever a functioning, undamaged part of his body before he was of an age to consent to it.Sheilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10853868724554947854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-7037326539163806332010-11-04T14:29:24.202-05:002010-11-04T14:29:24.202-05:00I too will have this talk one day. I live every d...I too will have this talk one day. I live every day with regret for having this done to my son. If we are blessed with another son, there is NO way I will allow him to be circumcised. My instinct at the time, and my research since, tell me it is cruel!<br />I allowed the circumcision to be performed at the wishes of my husband, and the advice of his mother. I struggle not to resent my husband for pressuring me to have it done. Although he isn't entirely convinced, he has begun to talk openly about leaving a future son intact - we are making progress and I am finding it easier to forgive him. Forgiving myself is even harder. A mother should ALWAYS try to protect her children from pain - Failing this time is my biggest regret.<br />I appreciate posts like this one. Helps me feel a little better to know others are in this place.Rachel Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01219413855299716470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-25462232157306604082010-07-29T21:44:29.312-05:002010-07-29T21:44:29.312-05:00@Adam Your own personal issues with your foreskin ...@Adam Your own personal issues with your foreskin do not justify automatic circumcision on healthy infant baby boys. Sorry.Wallace the Tallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-43786996174957734592010-07-28T12:25:50.087-05:002010-07-28T12:25:50.087-05:00My wife and I were talking about this issue recent...My wife and I were talking about this issue recently after a friend mentioned she was considering not circumcising if she has a boy. My personal experience was not being circumcised as an infant. The first time I pulled my foreskin back to clean under it in the bath tub, my foreskin swelled up and wouldn’t go forward, constricting the head of my penis. We had to go to the emergency room where it took them about fifteen minutes of shots and pulling with forceps to put myforeskin back over the head.<br />After that trip I was always washing under my foreskin with soap and water, but in college I got a yeast infection under my foreskin which also resulted in tearing the which attaches to the foreskin. The doctor said that the foreskin creates a moist, warm environment where bacteria can easily grow.<br />I ended up being circumcised in college to prevent any more infections. Sex was actually more pleasurable after the circumcision because the head is always uncovered and in contact with the vagina, whereas before circumcision the foreskin would cover the head for a little over half the time, preventing the contact with the vagina.Adamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-84778015854080897532010-07-27T18:19:24.929-05:002010-07-27T18:19:24.929-05:00This sounds like my story, except I have a second ...This sounds like my story, except I have a second son and he is intact. I think everyone has said pretty much everything I have, but I'd like to add something. It took me a whole year to admit the mistAke of circumcision and he had reattachement complications. The reason it took so long is because when you fully admit to yourself what you let happen to your newborn is very very hard. When they say "ignorance is bliss" they are right. But ignorance isn't productive. The worst thing I could do for my oldest was to crawl in that whole and not come out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-38920914894306861862010-07-27T12:45:57.100-05:002010-07-27T12:45:57.100-05:00pink puffy heart to the anonymous poster who calle...pink puffy heart to the anonymous poster who called out use of wikipedia for not being peer-reviewed - made my day!Jen Albinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15334829308218078837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-50034065078390000022010-07-27T10:00:44.293-05:002010-07-27T10:00:44.293-05:00I was outside the room when they circ'd my son...I was outside the room when they circ'd my son. They locked the door. I can still hear his wails and I wish I had stood my ground about not having it done. Truly, what makes the husband more qualified to make such a call about a son's penis? His circumcision fused funny and had to be fixed at the age of 3 because he was peeing at a 30 degree angle. Double trauma and this time his father was nowhere to be seen and didn't care about the state of his penis. My husband's was poorly done and has skin bridges that pull tight when erect. This did not have to happen to him but that is his reality.<br />If intact is so dangerous, then why isn't Europe experiencing record highs of HIV and penile problems? If the "statistics" proved true then men would be lining up in droves to be cut for their health and safety. That is not happening and is proof that there is nothing wrong with an intact penis and the only answer is simply good hygiene unless something medically indicative presents.<br />No more boys will be cut in my house.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00374263273085903015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-38561726422260272592010-07-27T09:06:24.297-05:002010-07-27T09:06:24.297-05:00to the above poster dealing with her hubby...
LOL....to the above poster dealing with her hubby...<br />LOL.. I know exactly how you feel. When I had my first son The argument finally ended when I informed my ex that his penis may have been larger if allowed to naturally grow w/o being cut short as it was. I believe he was cut too tight and had alot of issues with sensation so when I stated this he got quiet and my words finally sunk in.<br /><br />I hit that man with all the facts, the videos and stats I could find. We started off reading pro and con websites and after feeling informed I was fully against! He held onto the whole locker room issue and his fear of his son being different from himself for almost my whole pregnancy.<br /><br />The amount of boys who were uncut when our husbands were in high school are different than it is now for sure. I worked in childcare for a few years after I graduated high school in 2000. Working with toddlers and changing diapers I assure you those stats are different now. It was far more common for boys to be intact at both of the schools I worked in. The schools were no where near each other and each served families from vastly different socioeconomic backgrounds. <br /><br />Good Luck with this. This was " THE ISSUE" in my house for quite some time but I wasn't gonna allow it no matter what. I wish you strength of your convictions to do what you know is right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-1480364334328563122010-07-27T08:56:12.009-05:002010-07-27T08:56:12.009-05:00I really dislike when people go all politically co...I really dislike when people go all politically correct to make it a more gentle topic. The poster above that said she prayerfully chose to circ her babe. Seriously? God told you to cut off his foreskin? How exactly does that happen? I firmly believe its just a way to mitigate guilt in the face of factual reasons against or shame of having destroyed some of your sons sexual function.<br /><br />There is NO reason to mutilate a child's genitalia. There is NO statistic that supports using outdated Victorian era BARBARIC methods to prevent self pleasure.<br /><br />Will you circ yourself so your clitoris is exposed to the constant rubbing of your clothes to help hinder your sexual function? If you have a daughter you know she has a 12% chance of getting breast cancer so I hope for fairness sake you rob her the ability to breastfeed and take those breasts away before they get a chance to become cancerous! Im sure i you pray long enough you'll convince yourself god wants you to do that too. Of course you wouldn't do those things, that's shocking, terrible to even consider, dare I say abusive! It's essentially the same exact principals for why people try to support circ with stacked stats designed to make it sound okay to circ.<br /><br />What I read is your saying that you prayed until you convinced yourself that it was okay to just do whatever you wanted with your sons penis. Unfortunately it will be him and his someday wife that has to deal with the consequences of what your god apparently found some way to communicate to you.Reneenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-76449821936076316802010-07-27T06:12:00.930-05:002010-07-27T06:12:00.930-05:00"Circumcision said...
Male circumcision is a ..."Circumcision said...<br />Male circumcision is a safe, popular, healthy & beneficial procedure for individuals & parents to choose. It provides benefits such as 12x less likely for UTI, +22x less likely for cancer, 28% less risk for herpes, 35% for HPV & 60% for HIV/AIDS. The risks are about 0.2% and are typically minor & easily corrected.<br /><br />Parents should research circumcision and make an informed decision for the health & well-being of their son."<br /><br />dude, you're an idiot. any loving parent who researches circumcision should see that mutilating their son's genitals is wrong. what kind of "well being " are you talking about? it's not a parental decision, it's a personal one. clearly, you have no actual connection to this issue, but rather were placed here to be a jack-ass.Emily Schulczhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18443254697911722895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-78750940916040115862010-07-27T02:53:50.992-05:002010-07-27T02:53:50.992-05:00"60% reduction for HIV/AIDS." ahhh the t..."60% reduction for HIV/AIDS." ahhh the traditional war cry of the pro circ division. However, I do wonder if these people actually can do math. The US has one of the highest rates of circumcision in the western world, a vast "safe sex" and hygeine education program that includes circumcision as a preventative, and yet surprisingly one of the highest rates of HIV infection per capita. The math doesn't add up. Clearly circumcision ISN'T working. Perhaps the pro circ group would be far better off investing their time and energy in promoting the active use of condoms in all sexual relationships where both parties are not tested, rather than saying... "If you are circ'd at least 60 people in 100 won't get HIV". It's simply not the case. Also @Circumcision please stop using Wiki as a "source". It's not a reliable, peer reviewed paper. It's something anyone can log on and add too. You may also want to ask yourself, if circumcision really prevents all these things, why is it that men in the Europe, where circumcision is almost exclusively confined within the Islamic and Jewish communities, aren't dropping down dead for all these illnesses? You may also wish to look up the number of deaths associated with UTI's and Penile cancer of non circed men, to the deaths associated with the actual circumcision procedure and it's complications (infection etc)... I think you will find that the AAP is quite right, the risk associated with the actual circumcision procedure is much greater than the actual risk of all the things it's suppose to prevent, but doesn't. Circumcision, the parent's lazy way to not have to bother teaching their kids to clean themselves properly and have safe sex.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-42704376435336437912010-07-27T01:29:22.861-05:002010-07-27T01:29:22.861-05:00I'd really like to address the first poster......I'd really like to address the first poster... Not having a cervix could dramatically reduce your daughters chances for cervical cancer and HPV are out going to cut that off when she is born?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-53139775192023023632010-07-23T21:14:55.781-05:002010-07-23T21:14:55.781-05:00Great information, Lippy, thank you. I know that ...Great information, Lippy, thank you. I know that since I've been out of grad school, I haven't been as in touch with what's going on with the world community on this issue. It's a sobering reminder of the concern, and I also think a huge wake-up call to see how similar the justification is in many instances now.Jen Albinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15334829308218078837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-38115433273326815472010-07-23T17:47:38.834-05:002010-07-23T17:47:38.834-05:00@watergirl you are simply wrong. Female genital cu...@watergirl you are simply wrong. Female genital cutting has been practised by those claiming all the same 'benefits' as male genital cutting - including reduction of HIV. Check out the writings by Fuambai Ahmadu for example, the videos of clean_sexy on Youtube and the press reports about why girls are choosing to be cut in Kenya. <br /><br />I attended the launch of the UK national action plan against FGC/M a year or so ago and the African women there admitted that one of the reasons women promote FGM and practise it on their daughters is that they think a vulva without its flaps and folds is cleaner - and also more aesthetic. <br /><br />In Indonesia one of the reasons for their type of Female circ (removing her foreskin with scissors) is so that urine and germs don't gather there as they believe that would increase her chance of cervical cancer. Does this ring any bells? <br /><br />Also FGC is widely practised on infants - for example in Nigeria it's often done in the first month of life (sometimes on the 8th day following biblical tradition) and also in Malaysia, and sometimes Indonesia, Egypt and Kurdish areas. <br /><br />You really need to get informed before you wade in to these debates trying to play down male circumcision and play up female circumcision. The reality is that they are very similar. In fact as the American Academy of Paediatrics recently confirmed, female circumcision is often practised in forms milder than American male circumcision. One of the commonest forms around the world (the type practised in Malaysia for example) involves making a small slit in a girl's clitoral foreskin. This type IV incision is what the Bedouin of Israel do (or did until they were persuaded by their Jewish neighbours that is was a 'mutilation'!!) Yes really.<br /><br />PLEASE read the latest interagency statement on FGM and GET INFORMED before you comment again on this issue:<br />http://www.unfpa.org/webdav/site/global/shared/documents/publications/2008/eliminating_fgm.pdf<br /><br />This document confirms that the average age of FGM is dropping. If you also look up the information on FGM in Egypt from the WHO you'll see that it had become medicalised there (60% performed by doctors, who also tended to promote it). So it's simply not true to say that male circ is performed in hygienic conditions and female circ not. When a girl died in Egypt undergoing FGM in 2007 and caused an outcry and a closing of all legal loopholes, her cause of death was an overdose of general anaesthetic.<br /><br />I hope you will have the decency to actually check your facts before you ever comment again on this issue.Lippy Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02434980278888151477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-81845722267085168782010-07-23T14:29:46.310-05:002010-07-23T14:29:46.310-05:00Dear Anon,
Order an information pack from www.drmo...Dear Anon,<br />Order an information pack from www.drmomma.org and share it with your husband.<br />No matter what his wishes are, you have a moral duty to protect your son(s).<br />You will never regret leaving your son(s) whole.<br />If you capitulate to your husband's mistaken beliefs, I believe you will regret it for the rest of your life, and you may well end up resenting your husband (as I did, and still do). I wish I had stood up to my (now ex) husband. I knew in my heart that he was wrong.<br />Good luck!Kimberleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-5188238056168209892010-07-23T11:02:36.524-05:002010-07-23T11:02:36.524-05:00I can't tell you how much I appreciate posts l...I can't tell you how much I appreciate posts like this...and how intrigued I am by it all. I am not a mother yet and, I too, am stuck in the middle in regards to what my decision will be when I have my own son one day. The more I read, the more I learn, the more I understand...the more I move towards an anti-circ opinion. In fact, I would say that my instincts are already anti-circ...my brain just needs to catch up. My issue? My husband. He is of the "I had it done, why not our future son?" mindset; and of course, "there was ONE kid in gym class in middle school that wasn't...and he was tortured by the other guys for being different. I don't want out kid to be subjected to that." God bless him he is a wonderful man but sometimes he just doesn't think for himself. We aren't ready to start a family yet, although it will be sooner rather than later and I find myself hoping we have girls first to give non-circ-ing time to become the America norm so it won't be as much of a difficult fight for me. The way things have been going for all of my friends having babies it looks as though I'm going to be spending all my energy fighting a planned/forced/"necessary" c-section. I don't want to have to fight the circumcision band-wagon either. So...any suggestions on how to get through my dear husband's thick head!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-84287299378996224762010-07-23T10:02:25.393-05:002010-07-23T10:02:25.393-05:00Really great article. I also circ'd my first s...Really great article. I also circ'd my first son because I let my husband make the decision. Our second son is intact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-35575205838241741652010-07-23T09:43:52.051-05:002010-07-23T09:43:52.051-05:00thank you so much for posting this! what you said ...thank you so much for posting this! what you said was like it was in my heart and soul i just couldn't find a way to release the regret and the sorrow i feel when i educated myself and realized the choice i made was the worst one! my future sone will be intact and daddy is on board as well. if you are truly educated and looked into "religious" reasons you would know we have changed it and u better have a ceremony at the time!! i am upset that i did it but i will overcome this by telling others and helping them make the right choice and that is to have your sons be intact!tawnynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-10453241770963324962010-07-23T08:49:39.602-05:002010-07-23T08:49:39.602-05:00As seen in this thread, people who argue pro-circ ...As seen in this thread, people who argue pro-circ arguments, do so out of guilt. I read a little more than half way, until I read the comment that someone was not going to allow y'all to make her feel guilt. <br />So therefore she blocks it. Lives in denial, and throws the truth in the garbage bin. You can't compare circumcision to cloth diapers unless the cloth diapers have been permanently attached to the child's body.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-63775701122404191682010-07-23T08:43:00.746-05:002010-07-23T08:43:00.746-05:00For those of you pro-male genital mutilation:
&qu...For those of you pro-male genital mutilation:<br /><br />"Up to 20% of circumcised males will suffer from one or more of the following complications, to some degree:<br /><br />* Meatal stenosis (narrowing of the urethral opening due to infection and subsequent scarring, that occurs almost exclusively in circumcised boys)<br />* extensive scarring of the penile shaft<br />* skin tags and skin bridges<br />* bleeding of the circumcision scar<br />* curvature of the penis<br />* tight, painful erections<br />* psychological and psychosexual problems<br /><br />20%!!! Those are scary odds when compared with the 290 men in all of America who will get penile cancer. Rather than teaching [your son] how to pull back [his] foreskin to clean [himself], you put [him] at risk for a scarred and curvy penis with painful erections. It’s no wonder this leads to mental problems."<br />~ From The Daddy Experience blog<br /><br />I am one of those moms who didn't know better and has 2 circ'd sons. My eldest is 8 and has had TWO surgeries in a 9 month period for Meatal Stenosis. MGM is NOT ok. I have apologized to my son for causing him pain, embarassment and numerous other things resulting from unnecessary circumcision.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06678664886255802859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-44795085590193440322010-07-23T08:22:16.284-05:002010-07-23T08:22:16.284-05:00<3 wonderful honesty and courage <3<3 wonderful honesty and courage <3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-36303469494157553782010-07-23T07:36:58.691-05:002010-07-23T07:36:58.691-05:00Check out this guys story...
http://thedaddyexperi...Check out this guys story...<br />http://thedaddyexperience.blogspot.com/2008/07/just-to-be-fair-im-circumcised.html<br />My 1st son circ, my 2nd son not. Educated myself 28 years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-5207206706112287352010-07-23T07:30:14.640-05:002010-07-23T07:30:14.640-05:00haven't finished reading all the comments, so ...haven't finished reading all the comments, so somebody may have said this, but MORE MEN DEVELOP BREAST CANCER THAN PENILE CANCER! that's right, you heard it correctly, breast cancer is more common in men than penile cancer, so why don't we cut off the breast buds of baby boys! that makes more sense than circumcision!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11535469197926303037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-50313130485323092642010-07-23T07:27:45.661-05:002010-07-23T07:27:45.661-05:00WTG connected mom!!!!! where I live, you just don&...WTG connected mom!!!!! where I live, you just don't circumcise babies... it just simply isn't done.. last year 1 person was circumcised in the entire region. over 2 million people, and 1 person was circumcised! <br />religion doesn't give people freedom to injure, torture, and mutilate human beings! it is illegal, and circumcision shouldn't be any different!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11535469197926303037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5218215652328409330.post-23395739569534181772010-07-23T05:48:13.589-05:002010-07-23T05:48:13.589-05:00hitler also prayed before he exterminated 6 millio...hitler also prayed before he exterminated 6 million jews.<br />i'm sure osama bin laden prayed before he orchestated 9/11.<br />df malan, vorster and verwoerd prayed about apartheid.<br />hey, i prayed before i decided to do drugs. <br /><br />prayer and research are 2 different things. <br /><br />i'm sure your son will be comforted by the revelation that you did the research - which if you googled - is VASTLY in favour of NOT cutting off the foreskin - but god told you to mutilate him anyway.bonnie555https://www.blogger.com/profile/17587140544546564524noreply@blogger.com